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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: crankcase evac
« on: December 01, 2017, 06:32:07 PM »
Might want to look at this site, towards the bottom of the page. A boat racer attached a pan evac system on a zoomie pipe and was able to pull 5" of vacuum. It's not the results of a vacuum pump but it's more than just a puke tank or breathers.

http://www.performanceboats.com/gn7-dyno/52702-header-evac-zoomies.html

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: Zoomies vs collector headers
« on: October 13, 2017, 06:01:18 PM »
Listen to Jon. A blower engine is a whole different critter than a N/A engine when it comes to exhaust.

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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: The RainMaker
« on: October 10, 2017, 09:41:29 AM »
Nice car! Welcome to the board Johnnie.

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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: MAGNIFICENT 7 AA/FUEL ALTERED
« on: October 01, 2017, 07:32:13 AM »
Very cool project, keep us posted on it's progress:)

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Nostalgia Drags on Sept 22,23,&24
« on: September 24, 2017, 08:32:08 PM »
Having fun, that’s what it’s about:) Congrats on your win!

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Electronics / Re: 2-step
« on: September 24, 2017, 08:21:04 PM »
Opinions are like the noses on our faces; we all have one and they’re all a little different. I’m one of those “no talent drivers that can’t control his (or her) starting line RPM” as mentioned earlier in the thread because I have a 2-step on my car. And I’m pretty proud of it too. Now I pay my entry fees to help support my local tracks, spend my dollars to buy all sorts of racing parts and services from folks in the industry including some right here on this site, and lend a hand or express a thought when it might be helpful to someone else. It takes all kinds of drivers, owners, and crews to make this sport a viable success that we all can continue to enjoy but at the end of the day the only factor that should determine the level of a driver’s talent is the win light. Just sayin'...

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: Zoomies vs collector headers
« on: September 22, 2017, 11:18:30 AM »
The reason I asked about the MPH was because of some other pieces of anecdotal information I’ve seen on some other web sites, including the performance boat sites. They tend to indicate the same things you voiced; bottom end torque takes a bad hit with zoomies but the top-end power doesn’t seem to be affected. Their words:

“1984 UGF back to back runs: 129.31 headers & injectors (staggered tubes), 130.81 Bassett Zoomies 2-1/4. No other changes.”

“Our Unblown Gas Boat has a 555 Chevy… was man-handling our drag boat out of the gate. The boat came out so hard that it was out of control…installed a set of zoomies and a prop…the boat now leaves the gate under control…was almost 4 tenths better than we have ever ran…pulling about 8300rpm in the lights.”

“Had the same deal on one of my hydro engines. Collector made more on the dyno, zoomies faster in the boat. I wasn't racing a dyno so I ran the zoomies.”

The Stahl Headers Newsletter this thread was based on made mention that zoomies ran “quite well from 3500 to 4500 and from 7000 to 7500.” Your experience and the ones I found seem to indicate that once you’re into that 7000-7500rpm range the zoomies may have little effect on top end performance, just as stated in the newsletter. That leaves the 5500-6500rpm range where Stahl says that the performance on a 406” SBC will see “as much as 45 to 50 HP difference between 5500 and 6500.” The 383” SBC engine I’m assembling now will operate in that 5500-7000rpm range to run the 8.5 quarter index and the 5.50 eighth index. Should be interesting, will run the tests again next year with the new engine and will post the results.

Roger

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: Zoomies vs collector headers
« on: September 15, 2017, 09:20:55 AM »
Was there much difference in MPH?

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Transmission shield
« on: September 08, 2017, 01:04:09 PM »
The CSR shield you mention would will act as some insulation for keeping heat from escaping the trans. and it isn’t supposed to be modified if it doesn’t fit properly. The blanket is an even better insulator for heat retention. The traditional aluminum shield takes little additional room compared to the other and allows for some air circulation between it and the case. Of course a new SFI approved case would be the hot ticket and also the most expensive. When I checked on having the case in my last car recertified, it was shipping costs to & from the coast and a $100 charge to recertify, at that time.

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: Zoomies vs collector headers
« on: September 03, 2017, 01:33:51 PM »
Update on collector headers vs. zoomies.
Took my roadster to the local 1/8 mile track yesterday and tested headers & zoomies. In an earlier post on this thread I took a guess that in certain low horse power circumstances, both exhaust systems would create similar if not close to the same results. This will be the first of two or three tests with future engine combinations, God willing:) The engine used in this first test is a Chevy 350 street machine engine that produces about 260hp in the car, idles at 700rpm, and pulls 14” of vacuum at idle. The cam has 1 degree of overlap at 0.050” lift while the compression ratio is 8.3-1 with the stock 86,000 mile dished pistons, cylinder walls, and stock heads.

 The car is foot braked and uses a 2100rpm stall convertor along with 4:10 gears and 31 tall slicks. Since the power band of this engine is relative low compared to an all-out race engine, it’s shifted at 5300rpm and goes through the traps at 4450rpm. While it would probably go quicker if I shifted it at a higher rpm, the Stahl Headers Newsletter comments earlier in the thread that zoomies have little effect at lower rpms compared to collector headers was the reason for this test. My header tubes have a 1 5/8” dia, are roughly 39” long, and have a 3” collector. Just about right for this engine’s rpm operating range. The zoomies are 10” long and have a 1 ¾” dia. The zoomies weigh 10# per pair while the headers weigh 24#.

The first 2 runs were with headers and the air temperature was 80 degrees. The last 3 runs were with zoomies and the temperature was 85-90-85 degrees. Everything else about the car stayed the same.

1st run with headers:   7.008et at 100.45mph
2nd run with headers:   6.975et at 100.22mph
3rd run with zoomies:   6.924et at 101.58mph
4th run with zoomies:   7.014et at 100.22mph
5th run with zoomies:   6.985et at 101.12mph

Average with the headers is a 6.991 at 100.33mph, and with zoomies is a 6.980 at 100.97mph. That’s an average difference of only 0.011 elapsed time between the two and a difference of 0.64 miles per hour, with the zoomies having a tiny advantage. If you apply these numbers to a performance calculator the headers make 254hp at 1620# race weight while the zoomies make 257hp at 1606# race weight My take-away from this test is that it makes little, if any, difference between the two types of exhausts if you operate at less than 5300rpm and your cam has little or no overlap. The lack of overlap will negate some of the wave scavenging effect of the headers. And the zoomies are staying on this engine as long as it’s in the car. When the race engine is done, we’ll do this all again with larger & shorter collector headers along with the same zoomies. Testing ideas start somewhere and this first one is the ground floor. The car may be slow right now but I’m supporting my local race track and enjoying life!

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Roo Man's Room / Re: Building New FED 170" Need a little help
« on: August 14, 2017, 08:28:24 PM »
Here's another website I use:

https://tinypng.com/

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: Compression Ratio
« on: July 27, 2017, 04:58:40 PM »
336 small bocks are usually a 0.060” over 4” bore with a 3.25” stroke. With a piston dome of 13cc, a chamber volume of 64cc, along with a 0” deck height and a 0.041” thick gasket with a 4.1” diameter, that come out to 12.5-1cr. Put a 58cc chamber on that combination and that comes out to 13.8-1cr. Or something close to that.

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: 4 7 and 4 7 2 3 swap cams
« on: June 11, 2017, 08:40:09 AM »
That was the point, lots of opinions and no absolute answers:) The swap doesn’t appear to have a negative effect on performance so it may be worth a try. Or maybe have one of your existing cams reground with less duration?

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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: 4 7 and 4 7 2 3 swap cams
« on: June 11, 2017, 08:04:59 AM »
When I was trying to understand the 4/7 swap I came across this article that looked at several different explanations from various professionals of why the swap might increase performance. Some of the reasoning has already been discussed here. Don’t know if it helps answer the original question but might shed some more insight into it.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/lunati-cams/

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Dan Dishon's Transmission Den / Re: Glide vent line question
« on: June 07, 2017, 05:14:43 PM »
Here's how I handled the venting on my car. It's cheap, efficient, and easy to make.

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