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Title: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on March 21, 2016, 08:55:12 AM
Well I've had this in my mind for a number of years and have decided to get busy and start making this a reality.  I've always enjoyed 6 cylinders and I want to start off by saying a huge inspiration for this build was a man by the name of Joe Umphenour who ran 6 cylinder dragsters here in Colorado in the late 50's through the 60's.  Joe passed in 2010 but many of us remember him and admire what he accomplished including being inducted into the Colorado Motorsports Hall of Fame.  I think of Joe often.

My build is based on K-88 Chassis Research (reproduction by Cornfield Customs in Loveland, Ohio) and will run a 302 GMC 6 cylinder with a '58 olds rearend - transmission tbd.  Currently I'm gathering parts and will be mocking up what I can.  I welcome any constructive input as I really enjoy the front engine dragster scene even though mine is maybe a bit different.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Van on March 21, 2016, 09:18:52 AM
Hi That K88 is going to be nice, you need to make sure to do a few updates to pass tec with it. If you need a Olds rear I have one ready to run with all the good parts.
 Van
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on March 21, 2016, 10:04:47 AM
Thanks Van - Yeah before I even started this build I made contact with Kevin (Bandimere's Head Tech Inspector) and continue to keep him updated and involved with the build.  He's been very helpful and I plan to keep him involved as we go.

Thanks for the offer on the Olds rear...I appreciate that.  Matter of fact I just picked up a housing last week that came out of a TE-448 back in the day and it's the right width. It's just the housing though so I'll keep that in mind.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on June 30, 2016, 06:57:52 AM
Well I've been gathering parts here and there but also have started to look into mounting 302 jimmy/PG into the chassis.
Here is the beginning of the mid-plate.  It's basically a spacer which will then allow me to use a 1/4" aluminum mid-plate to mount the engine/tranny into the chassis.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on June 30, 2016, 07:04:47 AM
Here is the main part of the mid-plate.  I'm transferring the bolt pattern to some HD plastic (1/4") thick that I can shape and fit to make a template before cutting the actual aluminum plate.
I hope to be able to have the mid-plate also act as a firewall at the front hoop.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: ricardo1967 on June 30, 2016, 03:47:17 PM
I love your whole project. I'm a big fan of inline-sixes myself. It may not beat a big block in power, but it does have a lot more character.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on July 01, 2016, 09:20:30 AM
Thanks ricardo I'm glad you like it.  No doubt it won't be able to run with the big dogs but looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on December 08, 2016, 08:58:20 AM
I've been gathering parts and have started to get a front end put together.  I was able to find an old chromed CAE axle (will have it rechromed at final assembly) that turns out it's batwing locations are just right for the width of the K-88 Chassis.  I won't mount the hairpins until we get the chassis loaded with drive train weight and determine how many leaves I'll need in the front spring.
From here we'll move to the back, get some axles made for the narrowed olds housing and start to determine the height of the drive train in the chassis.  The little adapter on the back of the block will be part of the full mid-plate.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: hotrod316 on December 08, 2016, 01:36:20 PM
like the dogs  ;D both cars are sweet
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: jeff/21 on December 08, 2016, 04:13:49 PM
nice! different is good too many cookie cutter cars the idea is to have fun.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on December 19, 2016, 12:21:20 PM
Thanks Guys.
I got it to a "roller stage" with new M/W axles and some pie crust slicks.  Rearend is just tack welded in at the approximate location for now and once I get a shorty powerglide transmission I'll finish the mid plate and finalize rearend mounts and anti rotation brackets.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: racerken on December 19, 2016, 12:31:04 PM
Looking great.   And that 58 wagon is going to make one xxxx of a tow vehicle!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: crider on December 19, 2016, 03:08:25 PM
That is looking great!!
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on December 20, 2016, 03:30:17 PM
Thanks guys - I appreciate it. 
You are right racerken - the nomad is slated to be the tow vehicle.  It's a 348/3spd car and has been the chase/tow vehicle for a couple of other fed's this past summer.  Fun times for sure.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: racerken on December 21, 2016, 11:20:35 AM
I would love a wagon to tow my FED with..  It's just not in the budget..
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: LZ on December 21, 2016, 07:35:18 PM
All looks great CC  8) Very nice.

Luke
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on January 10, 2017, 12:22:23 PM
Back to more parts gathering. 
I ended up finding a shorty powerglide that was modified by Tony Rossi back in the day.  The "Rossi" shaft plate is a nice touch in my opinion.  This will eventually get rebuilt with a trans brake added and I'll replace the stock dipstick tube with a short locker version.  I also need to get a current shield for it but at least for now I can continue with getting the drive line mocked up in the car, finish the mid-plate and rearend brackets.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on January 10, 2017, 12:27:24 PM
As I mentioned at the beginning of this build, Joe Umphenour was a huge inspiration for this build.  Thought I'd share a picture of his second dragster.  Still running a jimmy in D dragster but with a 120" homemade chassis.  This car was featured in Rod & Custom 1966.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on April 20, 2017, 09:48:25 AM
Progress has been slow but a few things have been happening.  I picked up a coupler shaft to go from the PG to the Olds rearend.  Put it in a lathe and took a few inches off it to end up with .250" end play once it's installed.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on April 20, 2017, 09:55:16 AM
I also got the vertical rear end tubes cut and tack welded up against rear end straps.  Coupler's end play moves easily from front to back and turns easily as well.
My final test will be putting the axles in the housing with the spool and turn the wheels to make sure there is no binding.  Any thoughts or other/better ways to check this is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on April 20, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
I decided to relocate the cross member in the car to behind the rear end.  I'll cut out the remaining pieces after mockup.
By moving this it frees up space for the rearend and a coupler cover plus will allow me an anchor point to build to for an anti-rotation set up.  Plus it will serve as the front bar of the seat bars.
Cross bar is fit and "forward to back" bars are in process.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Goinbroke2 on February 17, 2018, 06:18:10 AM
Wow, just found the picture section and here is exactly what I want to build!
Need an update, where are you with this?
Et,mph,etc.

LOVE the car!!!
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: GlennLever on February 18, 2018, 07:27:40 AM
 :D
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on May 22, 2018, 02:13:46 PM
Sorry for the lack of updates guys.  Progress has continued albeit I'm a bit slow with updates. The big news came over the winter when I was informed of a Fisher 12 Port GMC that was for sale.  I was lucky enough to land the deal but the kicker was the engine was in southern California (I'm in Colorado) and the owner wasn't willing to crate/ship it.  So....my brother and I booked a one way ticket, flew out to CA, rented an SUV and drove it 1100 miles back home.
Here is the picture the owner sent me of the engine when it was in a project he was working on.  He sold the project awhile ago but kept the engine then decided to go ahead and let the engine go as well.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on May 22, 2018, 02:46:56 PM
So when we arrived he (Jim) offered us a beer and we sat and bench raced for a bit.  Jim started reminiscing about drag racing in Southern CA during the 60's and into the early 70's.  I could have listened to him for days as him and his wife talked about the different tracks they'd raced at along with some play by play of individual races - classic deal where a 9 second pass is a 10 minute story - I love it.
He then says...."you realize that Kay Sissell owned that head right?"  I about fell over and said...."no I didn't realize that."  Jim went on to explain how him and Kay were lifelong friends and Kay ran that head in his '37 Chevy Coupe.  I would sure like to see some pictures of that.
He then says..."yeah there are also a couple of different intakes and what not that Kay built and tried on it that you can have too if you want them."  Didn't have to ask me twice.
It still hasn't sunk in and Jim asks me..."so what are you going to put it in?"  I show him a picture of the dragster and he said "oh that is a perfect spot for it."  I was glad to see that he liked the plan and I'm truly honored to be the next care taker of this piece of history.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on May 22, 2018, 02:54:52 PM
No trip to Southern CA is complete without a trip to In and Out Burger.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on May 22, 2018, 03:04:13 PM
The Eagle Has Landed!!  Once we got everything safely home in Colorado I did some whittling on the mid-plate and slid the little gem in between the rails.  I also had the wheels re-laced, trued and shod with new rubber. 

 
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: jeff/21 on May 22, 2018, 04:31:29 PM
looking good, nice story too.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Paul New on May 22, 2018, 07:13:55 PM
Wow looks great
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: opa1 on May 23, 2018, 10:47:18 AM
That's going to be a great looking rail! 
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on May 23, 2018, 02:46:21 PM
Thank you guys - I appreciate all the kind words.  Next up is the steering and I'm using an early Ross box.  I have it mocked up as being attached to the front hoop via a bracket and then a block on the left top rail and then also a block behind the Chassis Research gauge panel.
I thought I'd heard that the steering box can't be mounted to the front hoop but I can't locate it in the NHRA tech regs.  So once again I sent pictures to the Lead Tech Inspector at Bandimere for clarification.  I can't remember if I mentioned it or not but I'm keeping him abreast of the build so as we don't get down there and have issues.  Kevin is his name and he has been awesome!
He came back and said we're good and also said he ran it by "Sporty" (John Bandimere) and both said to "go for it." 
I need to find an expired flexplate shield and tranny shield for mockup but left plenty of room just in case.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Roger on May 23, 2018, 04:15:13 PM
Good lookin' dragster!
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER on May 25, 2018, 06:58:55 PM
Nice project. I love inlines. I run one with a crossflow head in an altered.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: opa1 on June 20, 2018, 11:22:20 AM
Any progress pics?
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on July 10, 2018, 02:39:08 PM
Ran across this picture I took last winter of it when we had nice day.  Pushed it outside to clean out the garage and took this picture.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: opa1 on July 10, 2018, 02:43:53 PM
Love it. That is really what I wanted before I bought mine.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on July 10, 2018, 02:52:16 PM
Thank You.  I've been off it for awhile and have been missing it big time.  Glad to be back on it.
 I don't know man...if your dragster is what's in your avatar....looks pretty dang sweet (and fast) to me.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on July 10, 2018, 02:55:21 PM
Main steering box mount is now made out of something other than cardboard.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on July 10, 2018, 02:56:42 PM
Trial fit before shipping the box off for rebuild.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER on July 11, 2018, 07:05:42 AM
Countin Carbs,
Don't just rely on that steering box mount to hold the box - add a diagonal brace to stabilize the box. That box takes a lot of stress, not only from the twisting forces put on it by the steering wheel but also from leaning on it like when you are getting in and out of the car. You sure don't want that bracket to crack and break off.
Stay safe buddy.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on July 11, 2018, 12:24:11 PM
Countin Carbs,
Don't just rely on that steering box mount to hold the box - add a diagonal brace to stabilize the box. That box takes a lot of stress, not only from the twisting forces put on it by the steering wheel but also from leaning on it like when you are getting in and out of the car. You sure don't want that bracket to crack and break off.
Stay safe buddy.
Thanks FF - I really appreciate that.  I should have included that there will be this mount and then 2 more Borgeson or Pillow Block mount/supports - 1 on the input shaft behind the gauge panel and then one on the output shaft off of the top left chassis bar. 
I really like your idea of a diagonal bracing on this mount and thank you again for that idea.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER on July 13, 2018, 05:33:52 PM
Here's one I put on my vintage replica champ car.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/947/41728177551_e5cf9ea8c0_z_d.jpg)
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: jeff/21 on July 14, 2018, 12:46:03 PM
 ours had a similiar bracket but shorter by two holes mounting it closer to the fire wall and the pitman shaft was supported by a nylon pillow block on the frame rail and one for the steering shaft, it had a deep removeable butterfiy style,with the steering shaft straight with no joints it was a pain to remove the trans.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on September 05, 2018, 09:54:48 AM
A few updates to pass along.  I sent my steering box into Don Ross at Ross Fabrication and he overhauled the box as well as extended the steering and pitman arm shafts to what I needed.  Don does great work and he's been a big help on my project.  Here is a shot of the steering box after I cut the steering shaft to length and drilled a cross hole for the steering wheel.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on September 05, 2018, 10:13:44 AM
Steering is tacked in the car.  Plan to knock out a drag link this week and get this thing steering.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on September 05, 2018, 10:17:58 AM
The steering wheel was given to me by a gentleman here in Colorado who in his 70's is still building cars and racing.  This wheel was off his first dragster which he built and ran from 1959-1963.  I plan to run it as well as switch it to a Chassis Research wheel from time to time.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: Countn Carbs on September 05, 2018, 10:20:52 AM
One more.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: opa1 on September 05, 2018, 05:47:38 PM
Nice progress! Keep it up. You'll be through before you know it.
Title: Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
Post by: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER on September 25, 2018, 07:47:40 AM
Don't forget that diag support for the box

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/947/41728177551_e5cf9ea8c0_z_d.jpg)