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Title: Shifter
Post by: tmacterror on July 13, 2014, 10:50:58 PM
Hello guys,
 I'm helping a buddy put together a Tuttle FED and was wondering what 2 speed shifters you guys are running? Anything smaller than a B&M Bandit?  I have an email into these guys http://quarterpro.com/index.htm

He wants it up on the side close to his hand NOT between his legs.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: George on July 14, 2014, 03:15:43 AM
Hello guys,
 I'm helping a buddy put together a Tuttle FED and was wondering what 2 speed shifters you guys are running? Anything smaller than a B&M Bandit?  I have an email into these guys http://quarterpro.com/index.htm

He wants it up on the side close to his hand NOT between his legs.

Hello, This thread may help. http://www.frontenginedragsters.org/forum/index.php?topic=989.0

George
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: gregm784 on September 29, 2014, 04:05:03 PM
I have a quarter pro for sale.  Electric shift, rear exit. 

Still looking?

email me, greg@meansracing.com
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: Nightmare AA/FA on September 30, 2014, 07:44:32 AM
http://www.precisionperformance.com/

I ran one of these on my Gasser. 
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: retroboy on October 07, 2014, 04:19:04 AM
Well when I made the mistake 30 years ago of going from a clutch-auto to a PGlide and had no room  I just made a gate from a bit of aluminum bar and screwed a plastic knob on to the end of a cable and it was done. Cost about $1.50 for the knob the rest was just junk lieing around.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: tmacterror on October 10, 2014, 10:53:35 AM
I have a quarter pro for sale.  Electric shift, rear exit. 

Still looking?

email me, greg@meansracing.com

Yes still looking. I'll send you an email. Thanks!
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: slingshot383 on October 14, 2014, 04:11:26 AM
Go to Neil and Parks website and look at their shifter, very small rotary shifter.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: gregm784 on October 14, 2014, 01:21:13 PM
I have a quarter pro for sale.  Electric shift, rear exit. 

Still looking?

email me, greg@meansracing.com

Yes still looking. I'll send you an email. Thanks!

Didn't get an email, but it's been sold.

I second the N&P tube shifter. that is what i installed.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: ss4 on October 20, 2014, 07:05:41 AM
I have the precision performance shifter as well.  very thin a simple
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: Paul New on October 20, 2014, 12:37:35 PM
Hard to see but the only pic I have on my phone, I ran a B&M ratchet shifter mounted above the couple. You can see the knobs mounted on the rear end housing to push/pull. Skinny shifter not required. When I built this car I added a tub to my steering box cross member to mount the shifter to, this way the shifter is easily removed from the car during maintenance.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: RacinJacin on November 06, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
I saw a guy down under selling this style shifter and as soon as I saw it I knew I had to have one...until I saw the price. It was out of reach...so I ended up making one instead. Not sure exactly how the real one works so I just kinda faked it as best I could since I've never actually seen one of these in person.
All in all it came out pretty good and has worked very well except for one time I let it go out of adjustment - I may incorporate a redesign to address that so I can be lazy and not have to worry about such things.  :-)
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: slofomoco on November 06, 2014, 08:20:14 PM
Nice work.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: wideopen231 on November 07, 2014, 06:37:36 AM
Now racinjacin you can not make one simular to one made by someone else. I have been called all kinds of names for building one simular to the one Parks sales. Heck i couldn't copy it his pictures are not good enough.

I think its Lowe who makes one simular to yours. Nice job.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: PSweeney on November 07, 2014, 07:10:49 AM
Now racinjacin you can not make one simular to one made by someone else. I have been called all kinds of names for building one simular to the one Parks sales. Heck i couldn't copy it his pictures are not good enough.

I think its Lowe who makes one simular to yours. Nice job.

got any pictures, very interested in alternative shifter design for a glide.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: RacinJacin on November 07, 2014, 12:49:37 PM
Wideopen231, Yes, you are right mine was heavily influenced by the LOWE shifter. I couldn't recall the name at the time of my earlier post. Keep in mind mine isn't a copy of his, but it was definitely INSPIRED by his. I had contacted Ken Lowe (I think it's Ken) and I tried to offer some suggestions for improvements to his, but once he learned I wasn't buying one - he had no interest in talking with me. I can't say I blame him - time is money. The guys I work with - we exchange ideas all the time in an effort to improve things - so I just default to that mode without even thinking about it. I'm sure Ken was probably thinking, "Who's this nitwit trying to offer ME suggestions"  - Again - I wouldn't blame him if he thought that.
 Slightly reminds me of the time I was on the phone with an engineer from JW - trying to explain that they had made a mistake on their hemi to PG adapter.   I wasn't complaining, I didn't want a refund - all I wanted was to save the next nitwit like me the GRIEF of figuring it all out from scratch. The guy treated me like a complete idiot - I was like whatever dude I was just trying to help, my bad. JW had several big issues, starter pilot hole was undersized - such that a nippondenso starter WOULD fit but a Mitsubishi starter would NOT. JW said I was CRAZY. JW also piloted off the ROUGH  machined hemi pilot - which Ma Mopar never intended to be a pilot and therefore did not make perfectly centered- JW said I had an "oddball crank"  I laughed and said "that's funny I got a half dozen more JUST like it." STARTER tooth engagement way too shallow.  I digress.


  I see something I like - no promises - I may very well copy it, but make no mistakes I will also try to make it BETTER :-)   I may not succeed but I'm sure gonna try!
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: wideopen231 on November 07, 2014, 03:16:01 PM
PSweeny ,
Call Parks he sales them. I have no issue with someone coping mine but I did get lots of ideas off his and do not fell comfortable giving out design since I did copy his idea.  His is not bad price if you have to go thru figuring out how it works from his lousy pics. :)
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: PSweeney on November 07, 2014, 03:32:55 PM
no problem, I get how it works.  I'd like to buy one, god knows I don't have the time to be making stuff like this from scratch but by the time I ship and pay tax, it's $700 to me.  I'll be using a pro ratchet and developing my own shfter later
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: retroboy on November 22, 2014, 01:03:19 AM
Just a thought - is there any reason that the cable from these ratchet style shifters couldn't be replaced with a solid rod and a couple of heim joints?

Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: PSweeney on November 22, 2014, 02:32:18 AM
I'm doing exactly that with my own shifter, should have it finished a week or so, will post some pics
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: dreracecar on November 22, 2014, 08:25:31 AM
Just a thought - is there any reason that the cable from these ratchet style shifters couldn't be replaced with a solid rod and a couple of heim joints?

You could, but other obsticals would crop up
To get the rod straight the shifter would have to so far over to the left that its in the way of your leg
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: retroboy on November 22, 2014, 01:38:35 PM
In my instance I could mount the mechanism forward of the axle tube on the left under my left calf then make a shift lever leaning over and coming up next to the drive shaft shield directly in front of the diff centre. If that makes sense.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: dreracecar on November 22, 2014, 02:54:35 PM
would you be able to get in and out without stepping on it???

Cable is too simple and to have a lever mounted to the shifter down there , the throw would increase so much that you would run out of room in the cockpit
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: PSweeney on November 22, 2014, 03:48:40 PM
In my instance I could mount the mechanism forward of the axle tube on the left under my left calf then make a shift lever leaning over and coming up next to the drive shaft shield directly in front of the diff centre. If that makes sense.

as bruce says the throw would be huge, at least 6-8" movement up and down the gears.  You'd be better off mounting it off the bottoml left rail and remotely operating the lever via a bellcrank on the bottom rail linked vertically with rods/ rod ends to a cranked lever off the upper rail.
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: Paul New on November 22, 2014, 04:06:08 PM
would you be able to get in and out without stepping on it???

Cable is too simple and to have a lever mounted to the shifter down there , the throw would increase so much that you would run out of room in the cockpit


My shifter was located in the same location I used rods to push pull the shift and reverse lock outs. You can see pics of mine earlier in this thread
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: dreracecar on November 22, 2014, 05:58:11 PM
Same shifter since I built the car in '94, Thats the second cable since new, The Morse red jackets are junk compared to one I had Control Cables build about 12 years ago
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: retroboy on November 22, 2014, 07:12:34 PM
My situation is this:- I have a shortie 3 speed trans coupled up straight to the pinion and my car is a little short in the back and I have no room. I have a hand brake on the right side and a home made / severely modified Jaguar shifter on top of the drive shaft cover. I can only just reach it. Twice last week it got jammed in reverse so it's time to get rid of it. I dislike the shifters I've seen mounted high on the left side of the cockpit. I have limited room between the drive shaft cover and the steering butterfly so I'm looking for options. I want a shifter that is truly one handed in operation with out any triggers and or levers or anything I have to look for or at at or even think about one bit. There is a Hurst shifter called a Pro-Matic 2 that with out it's cover would fit the bill either on the floor with the longer stick or on the drive shaft cover with a shortened stick (if I can reach it) maybe a shortened and reshaped stick? Thinking out loud. They are a no brainer to operate with one hand, has a reverse lock out and a neutral starter switch. Tell me why this is a  bad idea?
Cheers
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: Paul New on November 22, 2014, 07:53:29 PM
See the shifter ball on the right and the aluminum knob on the left bellow the butterfly wheel those activate my shifter
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/22/3e83f73295eba25cbe86615d47dbe7b3.jpg)

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/22/956d9c56f6e628d78840432a316eeca8.jpg)


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Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: retroboy on November 22, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
A nice simple tidy set up. What type of shifter are you using?
Cheers
Title: Re: Shifter
Post by: dreracecar on November 23, 2014, 08:17:02 AM
The same as the one in my picture a B&M ratchet. Instead of a knob, I have a handle that pivots off the rear end housing, Its a straight drop down from the steering wheel to push. only moves 1" and returns back to the same spot every time. A guide tab holds the reverse lock out rod.