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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: Intro...Geez I really miss drag racing
« on: January 19, 2017, 08:35:36 PM »
Hi Chuck
Hey gonna send you a PM here in a second...
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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: girdle vs 4 bolt caps on iron hemi block
« on: January 15, 2017, 06:00:30 PM »And after all that work you are still dealing with a 60yr old block. If you are lucky to have a machine shop at your personal disposal, fine, if not and have to pay for all that plus normal block prep, you are about $2 shy of what a premium used Donovan goes for
Absolutely Bruce
I could justify it as I was building it for myself ,don't know what Deans situation is. It's not really a ton of work so much as measuring and set up.
He wants to use a vintage hemi and as such of course it will be more work. As mentioned no aftermarket hemi block available.
I admire people for the work and resourcefulness to make these old combinations go down the track. Were not the old days were a team would just go to the junkyard and pick up another 392. As such .
Dean did you ever see the Ross racing engines dragster? They run an Oldsmobile. He was running the old whatever olds ( not up on olds so pardon me) did a bucnch of work to get the old block to live. Last I heard is that he ended up machining a new billet block under I think same old cylinder heads.
Google rosss racing engines I think in Ohio .
I'm sorry for any long winded responses Dean. I was going down this road and it hit me especially when you brought this up. As had much thought into this.
Luke
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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: girdle vs 4 bolt caps on iron hemi block
« on: January 14, 2017, 05:36:37 PM »
Hello Dean:
Say I was running through this on my hemi build.
Disclaimer..... just my opinion yours may differ.
Having worked with Matt on putting new caps on old blocks, seeing some puked out whale blocks, doing some measuring , having the privilege of talking to some experienced hemi racers, and dealing with my anal jack hole mind.
Was not looking at leaning on it as hard as you plan.
Came to conclusion to build cap - girdle deal. Why??
- There is not a lot of meat in the block web for the outboard fasteners .
- feel the outboard added fastener really weakens the block web. Personally witness a block that was windowed that was filled and had added aftermarket caps. Really was an eye opener. Have photos can send ya when I get home if you want.
- in my mind you can't do enough to beef up bottom end. Stop the cap walk, support the crank, have margin to hold against any detonation. Try to keep those main bearings in good shape. Ba da be ba da ba.
- my opinion is the girdle is a fantastic way to help that stock bottom but ain't enough for what you plan.
Back to what I had planed if it's of any help.
Build all the caps out of 7075 all the way across. The back one will require some extra work due to seal. I was not going to have to worry about the pump mount as was going to run external. Fab up side supports to lock caps. Wasn't definite yet to either pin skirt - caps or dado skirt pcs. Use stock pan bolt tapped holes. Create plane for a pan.
Fab up a 417 like pan. The size worked good and you could get pan gaskets easy.
Love old hemi,s, but you pay a price $ (time) to run this old stuff and is very commendable. You are really leaning on this.
Just saying and wish you well bruddah
Luke
Say I was running through this on my hemi build.
Disclaimer..... just my opinion yours may differ.
Having worked with Matt on putting new caps on old blocks, seeing some puked out whale blocks, doing some measuring , having the privilege of talking to some experienced hemi racers, and dealing with my anal jack hole mind.
Was not looking at leaning on it as hard as you plan.
Came to conclusion to build cap - girdle deal. Why??
- There is not a lot of meat in the block web for the outboard fasteners .
- feel the outboard added fastener really weakens the block web. Personally witness a block that was windowed that was filled and had added aftermarket caps. Really was an eye opener. Have photos can send ya when I get home if you want.
- in my mind you can't do enough to beef up bottom end. Stop the cap walk, support the crank, have margin to hold against any detonation. Try to keep those main bearings in good shape. Ba da be ba da ba.
- my opinion is the girdle is a fantastic way to help that stock bottom but ain't enough for what you plan.
Back to what I had planed if it's of any help.
Build all the caps out of 7075 all the way across. The back one will require some extra work due to seal. I was not going to have to worry about the pump mount as was going to run external. Fab up side supports to lock caps. Wasn't definite yet to either pin skirt - caps or dado skirt pcs. Use stock pan bolt tapped holes. Create plane for a pan.
Fab up a 417 like pan. The size worked good and you could get pan gaskets easy.
Love old hemi,s, but you pay a price $ (time) to run this old stuff and is very commendable. You are really leaning on this.
Just saying and wish you well bruddah
Luke
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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: the Prisoner
« on: January 01, 2017, 08:35:08 PM »
Hello everyone:
Let me tell a little tale(well sorry long
) of of some personal recollection and show a new part for the Prisoner. Not one to open up but maybe someone can relate. Pardon my Grammar.
So this nondescript little box came the day before and its another item to check off the needs list. It was a lot of money in my little world. Something I had been researching the past months for which way to go.
After making the decision last week I called someone who was an absolute cool talented guy in my eyes.
Lets go back to a time when there were no cell phones. No computers or internet. The only way you found out what was going on with a race in a 24 hour period was if someone you knew was at the race, the old grapevine. Or the other was to wait till Tuesday when National dragster came out to get 2 week old info.
A time when Pro Comp was in full swing. There were WDRS races , divisional points with Nitro cars. A time were a family on middle class budget or a couple friends could put a Nitro car together run locally and maybe a match race. Not a top hitter but some good respectable fun.
A time were you saw a car in the ND and maybe it would be in your area at some point. It use to be neat to see a car that debuted with some new paint scheme or combo but sometimes when you saw it ,it was patched and burnt from some other race up to that point.
I loved all facets of drag racing but near and dear to my heart was Funny Cars.
Along with that I watched all the drivers and teams with great interest. So much personality and colorful people. Everybody was dirty and amenities were scarce (well except for a few) . Like anyone though I had a few persona that caught my attention and one of those was “Wild” Wilfred Boulitier. He just seemed as he put a nice car together. Crafty low buck team.
Matt on here and I have been friends since grade school. While sitting at Matts house drinking mother fletchers super juice, listening to Alice Cooper and Deep Purple etc. Reading the ND to get the latest as we were heading to Reading (1975) in a few weeks we noticed in the black and white photo section a New Mustang II FC that looked really cool. It was a Cox lay down car and had the Body hung just perfectly.
Low and behold the car was at Reading and it was Wild Wilfred. Coming up on car it was like that Aaaaaaa moment when the rays of light poured down from heaven. Sitting there with its homemade window louvers and this neat “T” windshield that obviously gave you visibility. Well to this day we always talk that if we built a car that would be the model.
Now back to the purchased part. So a few years ago read that a guy named Wilfred Boutilier started WW engineering and was making top notch Rocker systems. Had to be same guy right? Doing a little searching seen that yup it was. At time was doing a different engine and didn't need rockers. Buuuut with the change 2 years ago and started doing up the 385 series Ford that changed everything.
The moment came last week that I called WW Engineering. Would he answer? Could I keep on task and not sound like an idiot? Would he be snooty? ( I'm a princess and wound easy) etc??
Well that all disappeared in the first 5 seconds of the call. Actually I called and left a message at first. He called me back. In those first moments I could just tell right away was talking to a caring and knowledgeable guy. He just went on without question on geometry, what to watch, what he had done with Trick Flow etc.. No pressure. Wanted to know what else I was looking at, my combo etc.. A deal was struck .
Now while we are finishing up semantics I brought up the above story. Dang you would have thought we were friends from way back. He just opened up I couldn't believe it. Wish so bad that Matt was on phone and I would have recorded the conversation. I literally felt like I was standing on that dusty path looking at the grass that car was on from those many years ago. He went on about all kinds of back stories with other cars and races, how he met his wife and subsequent move.
It was a real trip for me. There is just no way I have the mental competence to repeat all that was talked about with any sensibility .But will compactly recall this little bit. The Mustang II in speak here. NHRA gave him a ton of issue running the car (windshield) at Winternats debut and basically told him he couldn't pass tech. Which eventually they let him race that one time.He had many calls and threats to NHRA about how car made the rules. They finally gave in and said he could run car the season but would be rewriting the rules for next season. He did indeed do the windshield like it was for visibility. They also had scored the material along windshield line so that it would act as an escape hatch. Again compacting story.
At seasons end. He had Rusty Greer (remember that name) rework the body to meet what he was told and he hated it. To him the car was all wrong now , ugly and actually lost some MPH. Upon returning next season with car to make matters worse. They never modified rules as they said they would.
He decided to cut up body and throw away. SAD.
I opened the rockers up today and did some rough check outs. Everything looks good so far. One nice thing (in my mind) is that these have a one pc stand for the intakes and individual exhaust stands which locate and square to location by running up against the intake stand.
Some photos attached. I will dig out one of the photos I have of the FC when get a chance for you to see.
On that note The Prisoner team wishes you all a great new year. Health and low ET’s your way.
Remember those who have passed and press on in there honor.
BCNU
Luke
Let me tell a little tale(well sorry long
) of of some personal recollection and show a new part for the Prisoner. Not one to open up but maybe someone can relate. Pardon my Grammar.So this nondescript little box came the day before and its another item to check off the needs list. It was a lot of money in my little world. Something I had been researching the past months for which way to go.
After making the decision last week I called someone who was an absolute cool talented guy in my eyes.
Lets go back to a time when there were no cell phones. No computers or internet. The only way you found out what was going on with a race in a 24 hour period was if someone you knew was at the race, the old grapevine. Or the other was to wait till Tuesday when National dragster came out to get 2 week old info.
A time when Pro Comp was in full swing. There were WDRS races , divisional points with Nitro cars. A time were a family on middle class budget or a couple friends could put a Nitro car together run locally and maybe a match race. Not a top hitter but some good respectable fun.
A time were you saw a car in the ND and maybe it would be in your area at some point. It use to be neat to see a car that debuted with some new paint scheme or combo but sometimes when you saw it ,it was patched and burnt from some other race up to that point.
I loved all facets of drag racing but near and dear to my heart was Funny Cars.
Along with that I watched all the drivers and teams with great interest. So much personality and colorful people. Everybody was dirty and amenities were scarce (well except for a few) . Like anyone though I had a few persona that caught my attention and one of those was “Wild” Wilfred Boulitier. He just seemed as he put a nice car together. Crafty low buck team.
Matt on here and I have been friends since grade school. While sitting at Matts house drinking mother fletchers super juice, listening to Alice Cooper and Deep Purple etc. Reading the ND to get the latest as we were heading to Reading (1975) in a few weeks we noticed in the black and white photo section a New Mustang II FC that looked really cool. It was a Cox lay down car and had the Body hung just perfectly.
Low and behold the car was at Reading and it was Wild Wilfred. Coming up on car it was like that Aaaaaaa moment when the rays of light poured down from heaven. Sitting there with its homemade window louvers and this neat “T” windshield that obviously gave you visibility. Well to this day we always talk that if we built a car that would be the model.
Now back to the purchased part. So a few years ago read that a guy named Wilfred Boutilier started WW engineering and was making top notch Rocker systems. Had to be same guy right? Doing a little searching seen that yup it was. At time was doing a different engine and didn't need rockers. Buuuut with the change 2 years ago and started doing up the 385 series Ford that changed everything.
The moment came last week that I called WW Engineering. Would he answer? Could I keep on task and not sound like an idiot? Would he be snooty? ( I'm a princess and wound easy) etc??
Well that all disappeared in the first 5 seconds of the call. Actually I called and left a message at first. He called me back. In those first moments I could just tell right away was talking to a caring and knowledgeable guy. He just went on without question on geometry, what to watch, what he had done with Trick Flow etc.. No pressure. Wanted to know what else I was looking at, my combo etc.. A deal was struck .
Now while we are finishing up semantics I brought up the above story. Dang you would have thought we were friends from way back. He just opened up I couldn't believe it. Wish so bad that Matt was on phone and I would have recorded the conversation. I literally felt like I was standing on that dusty path looking at the grass that car was on from those many years ago. He went on about all kinds of back stories with other cars and races, how he met his wife and subsequent move.
It was a real trip for me. There is just no way I have the mental competence to repeat all that was talked about with any sensibility .But will compactly recall this little bit. The Mustang II in speak here. NHRA gave him a ton of issue running the car (windshield) at Winternats debut and basically told him he couldn't pass tech. Which eventually they let him race that one time.He had many calls and threats to NHRA about how car made the rules. They finally gave in and said he could run car the season but would be rewriting the rules for next season. He did indeed do the windshield like it was for visibility. They also had scored the material along windshield line so that it would act as an escape hatch. Again compacting story.
At seasons end. He had Rusty Greer (remember that name) rework the body to meet what he was told and he hated it. To him the car was all wrong now , ugly and actually lost some MPH. Upon returning next season with car to make matters worse. They never modified rules as they said they would.
He decided to cut up body and throw away. SAD.
I opened the rockers up today and did some rough check outs. Everything looks good so far. One nice thing (in my mind) is that these have a one pc stand for the intakes and individual exhaust stands which locate and square to location by running up against the intake stand.
Some photos attached. I will dig out one of the photos I have of the FC when get a chance for you to see.
On that note The Prisoner team wishes you all a great new year. Health and low ET’s your way.
Remember those who have passed and press on in there honor.
BCNU
Luke
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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: Happy New year
« on: January 01, 2017, 08:12:01 PM »
Looks great
Happy New Year.
Happy New Year.
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Matt Shaff's Engine Shop / Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS
« on: December 25, 2016, 06:41:07 AM »
Merry Christmas to the whole Proformance crew.
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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Merry Christmas
« on: December 24, 2016, 12:53:51 PM »
Merry Christmas all.
Best wishes to you and your family.
Luke
Best wishes to you and your family.
Luke
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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: K-88 / 6 Cylinder
« on: December 21, 2016, 07:35:18 PM »
All looks great CC Very nice.
Luke
Very nice.Luke
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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: Intro...Geez I really miss drag racing
« on: December 21, 2016, 07:23:25 PM »
Nice:
Frank Iaconio, dang thats a name that had not heard in awhile.
Very nice Chuck looks like a great season coming your way.
Merry Christmas dude or whatever you practice best wishes .
Luke
Frank Iaconio, dang thats a name that had not heard in awhile.
Very nice Chuck looks like a great season coming your way.
Merry Christmas dude or whatever you practice best wishes .
Luke
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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: the Prisoner
« on: December 21, 2016, 07:11:01 PM »
Well Hello:
So darn hard to get your head back into the game when you have lost momentum.
But nonetheless a progress report.
So decked the block yesterday. It was just a clean off and square up deal. Its proud on the deck hight but Matt said best place to start and makes sense.
Gives you room to figure head gasket and valve clearance. If we have to set her back up again no prob.
My next step would be to bore and hone. But giving work schedule ahead and using available time efficiently as possible. Will most likely start on pan next and some odds and ends.
Will give an update soon but in case not. The Prisoner family wish all of you a fun , safe Christmas and Holiday season. Peace and health to you and yours.
Luke
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So darn hard to get your head back into the game when you have lost momentum.
But nonetheless a progress report.
So decked the block yesterday. It was just a clean off and square up deal. Its proud on the deck hight but Matt said best place to start and makes sense.
Gives you room to figure head gasket and valve clearance. If we have to set her back up again no prob.
My next step would be to bore and hone. But giving work schedule ahead and using available time efficiently as possible. Will most likely start on pan next and some odds and ends.
Will give an update soon but in case not. The Prisoner family wish all of you a fun , safe Christmas and Holiday season. Peace and health to you and yours.
Luke
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Jon's Wheel House / Re: Runout
« on: December 03, 2016, 07:55:57 PM »
Thanks Jon
I have not measured it yet. Soon.
Thanks for getting back to me,
Luke
I have not measured it yet. Soon.
Thanks for getting back to me,
Luke
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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: Debut "Elijha's Chariot" FED
« on: December 03, 2016, 07:51:16 PM »
Congrats Bryan. Nice
Luke
Luke
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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: Intro...Geez I really miss drag racing
« on: December 03, 2016, 07:49:19 PM »
Best your way Chuck this holiday season.
Wishing you many HP,s. for a merry Christmas present.
Luke
Wishing you many HP,s. for a merry Christmas present.
Luke
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Jon's Wheel House / Runout
« on: October 29, 2016, 06:16:36 PM »
Hi Jon. This is a copy off my thread (the Prisoner) wasn't sure if you saw it but now you have a Technical board will ask you here.
What would be an acceptable tolerance ( Hayden's) as far as axially in rotation ? Notice one of my hayden's wobbles a little. They came with car I bought. There beauties Jon and am honored to have them.
Guess as long as were talking, what about a runout tolerance?
Thanks
Luke
What would be an acceptable tolerance ( Hayden's) as far as axially in rotation ? Notice one of my hayden's wobbles a little. They came with car I bought. There beauties Jon and am honored to have them.
Guess as long as were talking, what about a runout tolerance?
Thanks
Luke
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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: the Prisoner
« on: October 22, 2016, 05:17:18 AM »My experience on 12" wide rims, with the 31x12x15 D2585, and the 33x12x15, D1288 is it looks like , by looking at photos going thru the lights, is 2585's grow at least 2 , and the 1288, less, because they weigh 31 lbs, and grow less.
But I assume you are asking about tire growth trying to figure rear gears, expected MPH, & rpm. With looking at the RPM's , gears, & MPH, I have found that the 2585's grow a bit more, because they are lighter [ 26 lbs] and with narrower rims they also will grow more. But the bottom line when I look at my RacePak, and ET slips, it looks like if you just plug in the tire dia, ie 31" [ 2585] or 33" [1288] that the RPM is very close to the MPH when using one of the on-line formulars. My 2585's at 190 mph matches the ET slip by using tire dia of 31 1/2". Which of course doesn't make sense compared to the photos, but what we have going on is the converter slippage. So just figure 1/2" more, like 31 1/2" or 33 1/2" to figure on gears, RPM, & speed. i helped out another JF car when he was having traction problems, at the hit, with his 2585's on 11" rims, I let him use my 2585's on 12" rims, it helped, he ran a 7.04. But he did not like the 12" rims because with his 387 ci SBC, he ran lower MPH, because he couldn't pull the wider rim but he would smok'm more often. Part of the difference in our two cars combinations, is his was superlight 1355 lbs with driver [ that's why he built the smaller motor at 3.5 bls per ci] But with his motor out 50" and both of our cars had the same front axle weight, which means he was 90 lbs lighter across his rear axle = less traction. It's all about car balance.
We had two sets of 2585's one set on 11" rims, and another with 12". The 12" rims were for running in the finals at Bakersfield, when the sun was down and the track cooling off.
In our car , last time racing I had 9811 rpm @ 186.61, with 4.88 gears and 9000 stall converter, on the 31 tires on 12 rims, last year at the same track [ Sonoma] we ran 190 mph also on the 31's, 4.88, and a 8528 stall converter. So you can see the looser the converter the more slipage.
Feel free to call me if you are looking for more info/ numbers.
Jon Hansen, Hayden wheels, 800-624-3803, 805-444-4489, or jchansen60@gmail.com
Thanks for taking time to write up and share some info Jon.
Had an interesting conversation a few weeks ago with Mike Milsap from Southwest Jr fuel assn. Nice guy.
When in our discussion we talked tires and of course your name came up ,along with the GY 2585's. (which he was also running) . He had a set of Hoosier 31.0/12.0-15 C11 on trailer. Remembering conversation as best I can. He said that Hoosier made a few sets of these as they were trying to get a tire out to use in place of the GY 2585. He said that they were heavier then the GY but they worked well in colder conditions. Funny thing was they marked tires just as in there catalog. Did not notice any markings distinguishing these from an off shelve tire?
. Did not ask him about what they did for his car. But he was selling them if that says somethingAnyway sure will be talking to you when the time comes to replace mine.
Hey as long as I have your ear. What would be an acceptable tolerance ( spoked wheels) as far as axially in rotation ? Notice one of my hayden's wobbles a little. They came with car I bought. There beauties Jon and am honored to have them.
Guess as long as were talking, what about a runout tolerance?
Figure to log this and make it a periodic checkout.
thank you
Luke