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Roo Man's Room / Re: ground clearance
« on: March 28, 2017, 03:57:10 AM »
build in sufficient ground clearance so a drop tire size doesn't materially affect the ground clearance.   Not so much an issue on a funny car but diggers can run anywhere from 30in to 33.5in tire.

Actually the spread can be anything from 28" to 36" depending on how much motor you are trying to hook up. And if you are making that big of a change you either guessed very wrong to start with or made a radical change to the overall powerplant package. If anything, you should build for the smallest tire that you might run and live with the subsequent change in motor angle etc if you go larger. Depending on the wheelbase and  how far out the motor is in your 30 to 33.5 example the ground clearance will vary by more than an inch at the mid plate.

Roo

Your right Roo, I built mine to run a 33.5in tyre and I don't like it, too much sidewall for a 138in car. If I were building again I'd mock up based on 30-31in tyre.

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Trans to Rear Coupler Play
« on: March 28, 2017, 02:47:25 AM »
if you have any binding on your coupler, it'll hurt something, either pinion support, tail bushing, or the coupler.  It needs to be aligned so it slides easy.  You might need to add turnbuckles to the rear of the trans for fine adjustment as it's literally half a turn on a 3/8unf thread from binding up.   If you have no trans mount, a 1/4in 6061 motorplate isn't ridged enough to hang the trans from unsupported and it won't slide free unless supported.

I disagree re the mid plate. If the motor is not bolted to the other side maybe the plate could flex enough to cause a problem, especially if the frame is excessively wide or the top and bottom rails don't have much vertical spread and are low relative to the crank centerline. I never run a trans mount in my cars and never have problems with binding. In the case of a car where the trans coupler plugs directly into the female unit on the rear end the alignment is more critical but there should not be any issues if the car is built correctly.
  I have seen issues when the mid plate is not supported correctly as in a car where the motor has been moved forward from the original location as in an old car that was not built with enough room for a transmission (right Steve? :) ) but in general a transmission mount is not a really good idea or necessary when you have front mounts and a mid plate. 

Roo

I always thought the same Roo until this car I have now.  It's a shortly glide with a straight male / female coupler (not the nice in situ version).  The motor was set using a line up bar and presumed aligned.  When we mocked up, whatever we did we couldn't get the coupler to slide easy.  We assumed alignment was off, so it was sent away again to have it re-done on the jig, new motor plate and chassis mounts reamed to the bolt shanks (with engine weight on mid plate ears).  We aligned the coupler on a scissor jack so it slid easy, then made the front motor plates with saddle mounts, using transfer punches and again reaming all holes to size to take out any slop.  This was closer but again it bound up.  Talking to another racer with the same set up who had the same issue, we made two turnbuckles mounted off the trans rear cover triangulated down to two brackets on the chassis.  We found the range of adjustment to be within half a turn on the bars and just taking up the trans weight slightly was the difference between it binding and sliding freely. 

A mount may not be needed for all cars but this was the only way we could obtain the alignment.  With a shortly glide close coupled we didn't have the driveshaft length to take up any angular mis-alignment.  With a full length glide and a driveshaft, I wouldn't expect to use a mount either.  I should add both couplers were brand new and with used / worn couplers I imagine this might not have been so much of an issue. 

Heres a pic, you can just see the rod end on the rear cover


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Roo Man's Room / Re: ground clearance
« on: March 27, 2017, 02:18:24 AM »
build in sufficient ground clearance so a drop tire size doesn't materially affect the ground clearance.   Not so much an issue on a funny car but diggers can run anywhere from 30in to 33.5in tire. 

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Trans to Rear Coupler Play
« on: March 27, 2017, 02:10:09 AM »
if you have any binding on your coupler, it'll hurt something, either pinion support, tail bushing, or the coupler.  It needs to be aligned so it slides easy.  You might need to add turnbuckles to the rear of the trans for fine adjustment as it's literally half a turn on a 3/8unf thread from binding up.   If you have no trans mount, a 1/4in 6061 motorplate isn't ridged enough to hang the trans from unsupported and it won't slide free unless supported. 

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Spiral Morse Cables ?
« on: November 16, 2016, 06:58:23 AM »
great thanks Roo

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Spiral Morse Cables ?
« on: November 15, 2016, 12:50:18 PM »
We've always had good luck withe these folks, but can't say if they will sell to an overseas consumer: http://www.power-trans.net/

Good luck.

Thanks will check them out

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Spiral Morse Cables ?
« on: November 15, 2016, 12:48:41 PM »
You can order them through Jim and his gang at Good Vibrations (http://www.goodvibesracing.com/) or go direct to the source at Control Cables (http://www.controlcables.com/). Murf McKinny also carries them in even foot (and six inch) increments (http://www.mckinneycorp.com/). Both Good Vibes and McKinney are also used to shipping overseas.

Roo

Thanks Roo, are these the low resistance, super bendy ones you can virtually tie a knot in ?

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Front Engine Dragsters / Spiral Morse Cables ?
« on: November 13, 2016, 09:00:13 AM »
Where can I get these to length ?

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Jon's Wheel House / Re: Magnesium slotted wheels
« on: November 12, 2016, 03:35:50 AM »
Glass bead them for a cast look

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Your Builds / Photo Gallery / Re: 145" Slingshot build in the UK
« on: September 07, 2016, 06:00:28 AM »
I personally wouldn't have it there.  You'll be unable to find and deploy it from down there when you REALLY need it in a hurry.  It'll also be a pain to live with getting in an out of the car, ie bootlace, trouser material snagging / deploying it.  You really don't want stuff around you're knees either, difficult to get out of a burning car with shattered knee caps....  Also when belted in with arm restraints on can you actually reach it ?

If you're using a pull handle maybe place it in whatever arrangement you make to support the upper steering column. In my experience you want it within your peripheral vision and reach when sat in the car belted in with restraints on looking down the track.  Looking down to find and pull it really isn't practical at speed especially with a helmet support on.

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Dan Dishon's Transmission Den / Re: shorty glide to std tail shaft
« on: September 07, 2016, 05:43:47 AM »
PG used in a dragster should only use the bell housing bolts for attachment and no rear mount, best to let it float

we did this and had nothing but trouble with the coupler binding up.  We now use two turnbuckles threaded into the rear cover down to the chassis rails and adjust then to take some weight off the coupler.

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: shifters
« on: September 07, 2016, 05:15:04 AM »
really don't like the shift on the same side like that.  After he's fired the car in the lanes, how does he apply the brake when shifting into low, same with reverse on the burnout  I'll bet getting in and out the car is a pain too.

The low to high shift would feel odd to me, the brake handle returning against my hand which then has to move around the returning lever to shift forward into high, would just feel goofy to me


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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Cooling
« on: September 07, 2016, 04:56:49 AM »
greatest improvement you can make to a gas engine is to lock out the timing.  Running an advance curve at lower rpms means the timing is retarded and puts most of the heat into the cylinder heads which ups the coolant temps. 

I ran a 8.50's with a 468 on pump gas, used to stress staging at 220 when running alky cars backing up slow to build heat. I then locked the dizzy out and ran restrictors under the water pump outlets to slow the coolant flow.  The moroso pumps circulate too fast at idle as they are constant flow.  Water has a high surface tension and doesn't absorb or dissipate heat well without an additive, so slowing the flow down, giving it chance to absorb heat and discipate it through the rad is essential.  A temp sensed controller on the pump speed would also be good.

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you don't say what CR you're running but if I were you, stick to 12v, lose the mag and get an MSD pro-billet dizzy. Either the mags bad, starters on it's way out or you have another issued building compression when cranking, ie tight lash, leaky seats, head gasket or rings.

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Front Engine Dragsters / Re: Champ Dragster Oil Pans
« on: September 07, 2016, 04:26:43 AM »
I have one, seemed reasonable quality but I had to cut it around for ground clearance.

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