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Title: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: glofria on February 25, 2019, 09:03:15 AM
For those of you who are interested; the past amendments have been combined and integrated into one package. One change of note based upon a controversy at last year's CHRR is that nitro is no longer permitted in the NE or Gasser classes. 

http://promod.nhra.com/userfiles/file/Tech/2019%20HRHS%20Rulebook.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3F-bi0mhy1TvJcCuiYk8Jk0f5FOLlQkPm0PcPGQG_ayMVYyCkHcZ2YZLc
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on February 25, 2019, 09:31:04 AM
And this little gem that popped up in the mainly dragster classes
  " A secondary steering shaft stop must be installed to prevent long steering shaft from injuring driver in case of frontal impact (i.e., collar or U-joint pinned at crossmember, bracket, etc.)."

Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: Calkins on February 25, 2019, 09:35:21 AM
They also screwed up some of the NTF rules.  Since when did headers need to be insulated down the the bend in the body???   :o
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: rooman on February 25, 2019, 10:37:07 AM
I guess that the determining factor is the NHRA's definition of long.

Roo
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on February 25, 2019, 11:10:26 AM
considered "LONG"  If its length is greater that whomever came up with this rules "junk"
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on February 25, 2019, 11:18:32 AM
They also screwed up some of the NTF rules.  Since when did headers need to be insulated down the the bend in the body???   :o

   Deffinatly a mis-use of "cut & paste" as the exhaust requirments are posted on page 42 which say they must be directed away from driver
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: glofria on February 25, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
As a die-hard door car racer, this is the one that gets me under Gas Eliminator Section 7:

BODY
Full-bodied vehicles: Must have full top and windshield. All full-bodied cars must have two driver exits. Four stock-production fenders mandatory, fiberglass duplicates permitted. Fenders may be trimmed for tire clearance; altered fenders must have edges re-rolled or beaded.


Am I misunderstanding the line about fenders, because some of the Pro Mod style cars don't fit the term "stock-production." At this point in time, why don't they eliminate the sentence.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: xlr8 on February 25, 2019, 01:49:48 PM
For those of you who are interested; the past amendments have been combined and integrated into one package. One change of note based upon a controversy at last year's CHRR is that nitro is no longer permitted in the NE or Gasser classes. 


What was the controversy with nitro? Just curious.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on February 25, 2019, 03:58:07 PM
None that anybody is aware of, Couple of racers "trim" their alc to make up for bad air, but nothing over 25%
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: tcoupekyle on February 26, 2019, 06:42:37 AM
What kind of controversy's?
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: glofria on February 26, 2019, 09:21:34 AM
For those of you who are interested; the past amendments have been combined and integrated into one package. One change of note based upon a controversy at last year's CHRR is that nitro is no longer permitted in the NE or Gasser classes. 


What was the controversy with nitro? Just curious.

The previous rules stated that nitro was permitted in Nostalgia Eliminator and the Gasser Classes. (I have to find a copy in one of my flash drives). One new race team who was looking to run injected nitro in A/Fuel decided to step down to NE1 (I assume) to sort out their car at the Reunion. On Friday, they made one qualifying attempt with a heavy load of nitro. (Go to 8: 17:30 mark on the video below.)

Someone complained and tech went to them in the pits and through them out for the rest of the weekend. The team did not asked to review the rule book with the tech official right then and there and just accepted the ruling. It was only after the weekend back home did the racers review the rule book themselves and realize what it written and complained on Facebook. Eventually, they reached out to Division 7 Director Mike Rice, but never heard back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oINhN6EW1kc
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: Van on February 27, 2019, 08:29:55 PM
The REAL story of what happened !
  First it's not a new team, but a new driver. We had planned on making runs at Fontana one week before to make license upgrade runs for advanced ET. Fontana was a rain out so we went to Bakersfield hoping to make upgrade in Afuel qualifying but no go. We already paid long in advance to enter & it was suggested that we enter NE1 and just run the car. NE1 is an all run class so we did not need to Qualify just needed to go down the track and we were in. We made one easy hit to get the new driver familiar with the car & planned to make a full easy pass in first round. I was informed before I left the starting line that Mike Rice wasn't happy. I knew that nitro was legal in the past. Ken Gentry was already talking to my driver when I got to the car. Ken was somewhat shaken, like someone had upset him. He asked, Van can you take the nitro out ? I asked why - he said that they- NHRA didn't want nitro in NE 1  I told Ken that I could not run the car on Alky alone. I could see that he was visibly upset, I said Ken calm down we will put the car away. I did not want to put Ken in a bad position & didn't want to start a NHRA war. NO one ever came to our pit or ever talked to us any further.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on February 28, 2019, 09:18:06 AM
If the car and driver were up to it (spec and license) they should have switched you to 7.0 where injected nitro remains to be legal and is an all run class
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: glofria on February 28, 2019, 09:37:40 AM
Thanks for the clear explanation Van. That makes more sense.

Bruce, i believe an advanced ET license is good for quicker than 7.50. Van explained the driver didn't have one. Therefore, if he did, then they would have a ran A/F as they signed up for in the first place.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: glofria on February 28, 2019, 11:09:34 AM
Just saw that NHRA today has amended  the rules for Nostalgia Eliminator and nitro is permitted.

http://promod.nhra.com/userfiles/file/Tech/2019%20HRHS%20Rulebook%202-28-2019.pdf

No such luck for the Gassers.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on February 28, 2019, 12:12:32 PM
Thanks for the clear explanation Van. That makes more sense.

Bruce, i believe an advanced ET license is good for quicker than 7.50. Van explained the driver didn't have one. Therefore, if he did, then they would have a ran A/F as they signed up for in the first place.

 Maybe because of the ET potential  of A/F the request was denied , could have been more recepted to 7.0 for A-ET license?   whatever water under the bridge so to say
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: glofria on February 28, 2019, 01:38:05 PM
Bruce, your right now that I think about it.

Now that the class has dipped below the 6.00 barrier, what would the license requirement be?
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on February 28, 2019, 05:04:04 PM
Ding Ding Ding  We have a winner!!!!

  Without a index and the class potential is in the 5's and getting quicker, logic tells use Fuel license and chassis spec for everybody in the class
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: Van on February 28, 2019, 08:02:37 PM
Now I am wondering if Mike Rice tried to do the Nitro ban (starting with us) and a bunch of racers pushed back ?  Now this whole thing is looking really stupid.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: wideopen231 on March 05, 2019, 10:51:58 AM
Something I noticed in 7.0 class. Where as most have 30" limit on nose 7.0 allows 40". Curiosity always gets me so a little math and seems its worth around .025.Not much but if you had a combo that had very little extra  to tune around it is a extra.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on March 05, 2019, 01:55:06 PM
2019 is the first time that has been in place for 7.0  but its been in A/F for 10yrs  since the A/F dragster guys were whining that the A/F class could also include F/C and Altereds and they had a 10" advantage over the dragsters.   Nothing like shortening the track by almost a foot
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER on March 05, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
Add a 10" fin out front???
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on March 06, 2019, 08:56:51 AM
cut it off and no overhang.  Front wheels start the race -- front wheel finish the race
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: THE FRENCHTOWN FLYER on March 06, 2019, 11:28:18 AM
When I built my old Logghe altered I added a front wing. It was designed with side sponsons that were at the minimum legal height at rest, and maximum overhang. At the big end it added a lot of downforce. The anchor points were urethane bushings.

One time in the finals I ran a digger and the guy's wife was at the finish line watching. She swore - literally swore - that her hubby's front wheels were ahead of mine at the stripe.

Do tell?

Lots of races were won by 30" or less.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: wideopen231 on March 06, 2019, 02:11:39 PM
cut it off and no overhang.  Front wheels start the race -- front wheel finish the race
While more period correct,if the rules allow it I see mo reason not to take advantage of it. JMO
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on March 06, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Except for the starting line beams, all other timers down the track are 6" off the track surface. That is why an overhang car has the advantage over the traditional front end. They get a 2ft head start before the tree hits and the track is shorter by 2ft.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: wideopen231 on March 07, 2019, 09:12:22 AM
In 7.0 I do not see any advantage except for its extra cushion if you are close on power to run the number. Now in heads up? If you can run it and don't that IMO is just crazy. I look at  it like the ceramic bearings.Not going to make huge change or advantage,but if its there I wiil use it. Plus If I can run it in bracket race it is enough to screw with others driving the stripe.
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: Paul New on March 07, 2019, 01:31:06 PM
In 7.0 I do not see any advantage except for its extra cushion if you are close on power to run the number. Now in heads up? If you can run it and don't that IMO is just crazy. I look at  it like the ceramic bearings.Not going to make huge change or advantage,but if its there I wiil use it. Plus If I can run it in bracket race it is enough to screw with others driving the stripe.

A lot of the 7.0 guys drive the stripe pretty hard so it is an advantage
Title: Re: 2019 NHRA Hot Rod Heritage Racing Series Rules Supplement
Post by: dreracecar on March 07, 2019, 02:46:16 PM
Both cars (with and without) tires are on the line together and both hit the start beam with their tires to start the clock at the same time. Both cars glued together down the track. Who is going to win that race??? the car with the 2' overhang, If the car without leads the other car by 1' to 23" he will still lose. In the previous situation the only way the car without the overhang can win is if hits dead on the number because the other guy will run too quick because of the overhang. This is/was supposed to be Nostalgia Racing and there wasn't overhang back then-- it a modern design