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Technical => Spud Miller's Cave => Topic started by: tenyears on September 16, 2016, 08:23:27 PM
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I need a lot of help at this point.
I have a pair of injectorators, kinda rough alittle pitting inside bowls. I think im missing a lot.
is there a parts diagram and system diagram to help get me started on rebuilding and setting these up?
I don't have any nozzles or jets or pill or high speeds or pump.it needs all new line hose.
im using these on a 1000hp ,8500rpm. 110 gas and street pump gas. clutch,lenco.
thank you for any help,or advise.
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I believe Waterman was involved with these, might want to go there.
Pitting should not be an issue, all those were was a fuel injector with an accelerator pump so you would not have to run fat on the bottom with gas like a straight fuel injector
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good luck with the gas. we have one on alky and love it. waterman was no help setting it up. they have been bought out and still have parts available. james barton jabarton5618@gmail.com is the contact info I have. what pump and throttle bodies do you have? if there is any info I can help with ask. I am no professional but with help im sure you can get in the ball park.
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good luck with the gas. we have one on alky and love it. waterman was no help setting it up. they have been bought out and still have parts available. james barton jabarton5618@gmail.com is the contact info I have. what pump and throttle bodies do you have? if there is any info I can help with ask. I am no professional but with help im sure you can get in the ball park.
james barton is a dead end. ive seen that info over the years and its been a dead end from day one. nothing out there.
thanks for info.
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Do you run in a class that must run gasoline ? Looks like you are going to spend a lot of money on a system that is pretty much obsolete . My suggestion would be to look for a pair of Rons Terminators or a bird or bug catcher top for your manifold and run alcohol .
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thanks guys for helping with my question.
im sorry,im wrong about my dead end statement.
jim barton is the new owner of the injectorator system. he talked to me and im sending him my parts. he has customers out there in truck pull and more. he will be going though my used rough injectorators to make them new again for my combo.
im sorry I was wrong for my earlier message.
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been a long road. its hard for me to find good help and I do 90% myself. well im over 5 years of down time due to companys accepting the work and returning lies each for a full year of wasted time. im ready to spread a list of these names. why let them hurt others. believe me they are the opposite of me when it comes to respect for each other. there no different than a common scammer. never do business with list...
Herbert
geradot
next?
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Okay, I think you are asking for trouble if you plan on running gas through any mechanical injection. Electronic injection yes, Mechanical- no. Especially on the street. They are hard enough with alcohol and alcohol is very forgiving and where gas is not. Also since you use so much more alcohol the nozzles are much larger and that to makes it more forgiving.
With that said I think BEST investment you can do there is to dyno the motor with someone who knows mechanical injection. Have a bunch of nozzles, jets and bypasses when you do. A good dyno operator can get your tune on the money with just a few pulls. You could spend $150 a day and most all season going to the track and testing or you could spend $225 on dyno and have it right.
Mechanical fuel injection requires a good pump, properly sized nozzles and mains for the pressure you are working with to get right volume of fuel into motor. The motor requires x Lbs of fuel to make X Horsepower and it can be figured out mathematically to get you close if you know the pump size pressure, nozzles etc.
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well add james barton to the list of dead ends as far as companys that say they will but don't.
you guys on here help me find him. he said yes ten days he said it will be done. its been lies after lies and around 6 months now. no respect at all for me the customer. so now he has my parts that I have $700. invested in. I have asked him for months to send it back in any condition or send a check and buy my parts I sent you. but he chooses to be silent or tell more lies. just yet another crook like Herbert and don gerardot all have failed to do what they tell the customer they will do. just plain crooks. james barton had me ship my parts to jim barton 2967 s. atlantic av#1607 Daytona beach shores,fl. 32118. so if anyone out there can help me recover yet another great loss of my time please help. each time these guys screw me out of a year it takes another year to attempt to recover. so each of these crooks have wasted two years of my time. man they need stopped.
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if I cant get any help on this. then please have the moderator delete all this and close my account. im out two years and $700. on this issue. ive been robbed too many times over the past ten years trying to build a car among crooks in the business. you either raise xxxx with me or.
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That sucks, I feel your pain. Ken Black has had my money for a block for almost 20 months. If you get your parts back I may be able to help. I am no pro by all means but I have made a couple injectorator systems work very well on alky. Good luck and hope for the best.
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I had Ken down at the shop yesterday,(did a touch up weld repair) they just recieved a bunch of new castings and are in process of being machined now
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Yes I will eventually get a block...Glad they are pulling thru all this
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can any of you fellow car guys help by calling jim barton 386-589-1620 . and ask him to repair or sell you product or something to figure out why he disappears from customers. then report the info back to me. he wont answer me.
he accepted my parts I paid $700. for. then he told me in ten days he would return a ready to run fuel system. he mentioned $1500. cost, I said I can pay now, then he disappears no more contact from him after seven months. the sherrif is helping me in his area. but I feel I need other racers to pressure him. jim barton doesn't seem to be able to do whats right. so please help in anyway you can. thanks.
what these people don't understand is he has cheated my father out of getting to see the car go again before he past away. so now my father past away and we didn't get to enjoy the car one last time,because of these people that steal your time from you. there causing a lot of compounding problems. if you cant keep your word, please stop taking work. it don't make any sense. other than your asking for trouble.
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it don't seem right. this guy was refered and I send him my parts and game over. no police help or anything. nice family sport
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I will email and see if I get a response... Have you called Waterman and asked them? If he indeed bought all the left overs they should know of him possibly. I have talked to Jim a couple times but never had any dealings with him. The Injectorators were kind of an odd duck. Not too many people even know what they are. I will let you know if he responds.
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He replied first thing this am, I asked if he still had parts and this was the reply, not really sure why he is dodging you????
jabarton05618
9:30 AM (3 hours ago)
to me
I should have anything you need. You can reach me at (386) 589-1620.
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I sent you pm.
he wont answer or respond to me. from day one he had tons of talk and excuses. all adds up to stealing your parts. why didn't you ask him whats going on with this deal? all I need is my parts back or my $700. value im out. pretty simple. if your not a crook.
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That is really a shame because I think the Injectorators are a good idea and should perform really good when dialed in.
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Not sure how we can help.
If you have the Sheriff involved it sounds like you are headed in the right direction.
It is unfortunate that some people require force to make them do the right thing.
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I guess we are all good with letting him rob people. you telling me no one can stop him and say I know someone that needs you to do the right thing. and shut him down otherwise. this is a last straw for me. ive been robbed by common crooks but these past years ive been robbed by companys with a name. so if highway robbery is all good. then enjoy. cops wont waste time. f the sport I guess.
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Not what I said or meant.
When an injustice is done you have to fight to correct it.
I feel the racing community actually does very well in companies delivering what they say they will.
When you come across one that does not you need to fight to make them perform.
I usually have one or two battles raging at any one time with companies that have have not delivered, and do not even get me started on insurance companies.
I am truly sorry you are having a tough time.
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I got a reference for you to send your parts to. make sure its $700. value.
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Just so you know I asked about your parts and no reply...
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so you are the one that set me up to be stolen from. I know who the trash is, I just give you a lot of chances to do the right thing. its a small world. full of jealous haters. go take from others your real cool big timers.
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so you are the one that set me up to be stolen from. I know who the trash is, I just give you a lot of chances to do the right thing. its a small world. full of jealous haters. go take from others your real cool big timers.
You are picking on the wrong person.
Read the post it appears he was doing what you asked "Just so you know I asked about your parts and no reply..."
This has reach the point that it needs to stop.
Glenn
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no. I know who the chain of people are and they must pay $700. my loss. we will meet.
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no. I know who the chain of people are and they must pay $700. my loss. we will meet.
" we will meet" ?
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So I am the problem... I just forward info. blame me all you want but he is the problem. Good luck...
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Ok.
Enough is enough
This thread is become non productive.
hemidakota I think tenyears should be thanking you for sticking your neck out.
This thread is locked, no further input will be allowed.
This forum is about helping and good suggestions, not irritating members.
Glenn Lever