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Title: 7.00 question
Post by: masracingtd1167 on September 21, 2015, 11:51:33 AM
Working on running 7.00 next year . Do you need 2 10 LBS fire bottles to run . My car is injected on Methanol no blower ? I am working on getting weight out of my car so adding another 15 lbs to it makes it a little harder . Thanks Bill
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: rooman on September 21, 2015, 02:35:17 PM
Injected alky only needs 5 lbs. The 20 lb rule is for blower cars only.

Roo
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: masracingtd1167 on September 21, 2015, 02:59:48 PM
Great ! That's 15 Lbs I don't have to worry about !
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: wideopen231 on September 22, 2015, 07:22:19 AM
Maybe less cheeseburgers for the driver?
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: masracingtd1167 on September 22, 2015, 01:36:48 PM
But I like cheezeburgers !!
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: JrFuel Hayden on September 22, 2015, 11:17:08 PM
So Bill, what are you planing on changing to run 7.0's ?

Good Luck on your up-grade

Jon Hansen
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: masracingtd1167 on September 23, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
Hi there Jon The first thing I plan on doing is to get rid of some more weight . My axles are not lightened and I think it is time for an up grade . An alluminum valve body and pump are on the list and every little thing I can think of to get the weight down . Right now the car weighs 1450 with me in it . I think there is a lot left in the converter . My 60 ft's are around 1.05 to 1.07 and I think they should be better than that . My eighth miles are in the high 4.50's and 7.20 at 183 in the 1/4 . I had thought about a little bit of nitro but after seeing the damage a friend of mine did with only 15 percent I would rather work on other things . To me half the fun of racing is trying to come up with ways to make my car faster ! 
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: wideopen231 on September 23, 2015, 01:57:02 PM
Have you given Park's a call you know hes the weight shaving guru. How about flywheel the one in Park's catalog looks super lite.Have you gone the ceramic bearing route yet? aluminum bolts where no stress?Aluminum spindles. aluminum spool. My axles are drilled and lightened flanged not sure how much lighter but they seem lite.Rear gear machined. Titainium driveshaft,been scare to check price on one. carring any extra fuel after run?

Didn't you go to real lite battery.If so would moving it back effect balance.If not moving it back ,means  two things can run smaller and less cable. Just few thing that came to mind.
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: dreracecar on September 23, 2015, 04:25:54 PM
Straight alcohol injected will not cut it in 7.0 you will need a little Nitro.  and the money you spend on all that lightweight stuff you could buy a decent blower setup
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: skydvrbob on September 23, 2015, 07:13:33 PM
If your running 7.20's at the valley just go to another track ,that should pick up a couple of tenths. I used to run 10.20's there on a motorcycle. I went to atco and englishtown and dropped into the 9.80's 9.90's without changing a thing. Unless lebanon valley has changed in ten to 15  years it was a slow track.
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: masracingtd1167 on September 25, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
If your running 7.20's at the valley just go to another track ,that should pick up a couple of tenths. I used to run 10.20's there on a motorcycle. I went to atco and englishtown and dropped into the 9.80's 9.90's without changing a thing. Unless lebanon valley has changed in ten to 15  years it was a slow track.
    Lebanon is much better now than it used to be . Wayne Delmonte has been the track manager for a wile and has really done a nice job with the place ! It is a bout a tenth slower than Epping .
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: masracingtd1167 on September 25, 2015, 11:40:51 AM
Straight alcohol injected will not cut it in 7.0 you will need a little Nitro.  and the money you spend on all that lightweight stuff you could buy a decent blower setup
    I really don't see why I can't run 7.00 with my setup . I am pretty close now running low 7.20's . I also use an 18 degree head and the cost for an intake would be as much as most of the parts I want to buy .If I was going to run Nitro I would have to change pistons . Too much compression and gas ports on my current pistons . If I can't run 7.00 I will just go back to the 7.50 class!
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: dreracecar on September 25, 2015, 03:13:46 PM
Not really saying you cant, but you should be able to  run in the 6.90 range in order to compensate for weather conditions  and be able to tune the motor up or down to hit the number without set on kill. J/F guys running those numbers have a lot of money tied up in the engine package. Your friend hurting parts at 15% had serious tuning issues which is not the norm with that low of a percentage
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: ricardo1967 on September 25, 2015, 05:39:48 PM
"...Your friend hurting parts at 15% had serious tuning issues which is not the norm with that low of a percentage..."

Hi Bill, with due respect, that was my thinking too. Compared to the exotic Jr Fuel motors, I think (speculate) that tipping the can at 30% would be cheaper on the long run.

I'm very excited with your pursuit for the 7.0s, good luck and keep us posted. From the little I know you, I know you can do it. Although so far I'm pretty much a bench racer, I fully sympathize with your perspective:

"... To me half the fun of racing is trying to come up with ways to make my car faster ! ..."

Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: masracingtd1167 on September 26, 2015, 09:20:38 AM
I really did want to try a little nitro but after seeing what happened to his motor kind of scared me a little . The two things I am worried about are my compression 14.9 and gas ports in my pistons . I guess I could use a thicker head gasket and retard the cam a couple of degree's . I ran this same combination when I was spraying it with nitrous and it went 6.94 but I am still a little nervous about the nitro !I am on the last rebuild for this set of pistons so I could see doing it then and get the right piston  and ring package .
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: dreracecar on September 26, 2015, 11:23:34 AM
fatten her up 5, mix 10%, read plugs
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: ricardo1967 on September 26, 2015, 01:40:11 PM
fatten her up 5, mix 10%, read plugs

Any timing change?
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: dreracecar on September 26, 2015, 03:39:21 PM
dont know where you are at right now.  but its not just a matter of timing as much as the amount of amps the magneto makes. A friend was trying to run in a fuel altered class with a alu SBC, could not get him to change from a Vertex (1.7amps) to a MagIII (3.5amps) had to lean(not good) the fuel down to get it to run and burned the motor up. Because the amps were not there to fire the load/mixture required to keep the motor happy and make a decent pass (for his combo),it was something that a higher output mag would have done @ 3.5 amps
Title: Re: 7.00 question
Post by: ricardo1967 on September 26, 2015, 03:50:57 PM
dont know where you are at right now.  but its not just a matter of timing as much as the amount of amps the magneto makes. A friend was trying to run in a fuel altered class with a alu SBC, could not get him to change from a Vertex (1.7amps) to a MagIII (3.5amps) had to lean(not good) the fuel down to get it to run and burned the motor up. Because the amps were not there to fire the load/mixture required to keep the motor happy and make a decent pass (for his combo),it was something that a higher output mag would have done @ 3.5 amps

Thanks Bruce!