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Social => Your Builds / Photo Gallery => Topic started by: GlennLever on September 17, 2014, 08:14:28 AM
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Hi Glenn, Terry Lachapelle here, (slofomoco on the forum).
Here are some pix of my 69 200" moly FED as it was when I purchased it. The seller had done lots of work before I came along, he had plans to do more upgrades, some of which I liked. The FED is now on a rotisserie, mostly disassembled, Dan replaced the 6 bar mild steel cage with a moly 5 bar, it looks much better. I have pix of the progress.
I would like to start a build thread, I was wondering if you would post the pix in there for me. Hopefully someone may recognize the car. Dan has a little info which I will post. Maybe one of these pix will make a good avatar? thanx
Terry
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#1 first thing that should be done is to get NHRA out there (or bring it to them) for tubing inspection. At that point they will give you a sheet of the required updates (if)needed and or if the tubing thickness is to thin. Its been a long time since that chassie has been run at any track or event that requires a chassie cert. There may be a reason, First indication is the lack of uprites between the foward seat uprite and the rear seat uprite, that spec has been in place for over 12 years now for dragsters
Other than that, looks nice
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Thanks for posting the pix Glenn.
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#1 first thing that should be done is to get NHRA out there (or bring it to them) for tubing inspection. At that point they will give you a sheet of the required updates (if)needed and or if the tubing thickness is to thin. Its been a long time since that chassie has been run at any track or event that requires a chassie cert. There may be a reason, First indication is the lack of uprites between the foward seat uprite and the rear seat uprite, that spec has been in place for over 12 years now for dragsters
Other than that, looks nice
I appreciate the advice, will follow up on that. I know nothing about a FED, I have much to learn.
I met Glenn at Empire, he told me about this forum. Looks good!
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6 words that make me cringe
"HEY-LOOK WHAT I JUST BOUGHT"
Its imperitive that you get a chassie inspection before you put any more time or money into it, chances are you are good with some minor updates,but if you find major issues then we can discuss your options
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Yep, it wouldn't pass the kidney bar test, I bought one that didn't either, but that's not so hard to fix. Mine also fell a little short (.002) on the shoulder hoop wall thickness... live and learn...
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I checked the SEMA tag today, kind of hard to read, but I think it has this inscribed on it.
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EM 717
The NHRA 7.50 Chassis Cert has the numbers 10 & 13 punched.
I took more pix, will post them soon. Dan bought the roller in Belleville, Ontario, Canada last year. I will contact the seller. The chassis is purple beneath the black.
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SEMA Tag numbers--- If its 22 then its a CCE (Cal Chassie Engr---- Tuttle) The EM717 could be their own codeing.
SFI is Oct 2013, But should of had the kindny uprights in by then. so its makes other things questionable, Get it out to cert to dblcheck.
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Hi Glenn
Would you please post these pix for me? These were taken on 2 occasions.
Will you post # 20 to 50 first, we can hold the last 19 till after any discussion on the first batch. Thanx Glenn, I appreciate the help. The FED recerted to 7.50 last week.
Terry
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Hi Glenn
Would you please post these pix for me? These were taken on 2 occasions.
Will you post # 20 to 50 first, we can hold the last 19 till after any discussion on the first batch. Thanx Glenn, I appreciate the help. The FED recerted to 7.50 last week.
Terry
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Hi Glenn
Would you please post these pix for me? These were taken on 2 occasions.
Will you post # 20 to 50 first, we can hold the last 19 till after any discussion on the first batch. Thanx Glenn, I appreciate the help. The FED recerted to 7.50 last week.
Terry
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Hi Glenn
Would you please post these pix for me? These were taken on 2 occasions.
Will you post # 20 to 50 first, we can hold the last 19 till after any discussion on the first batch. Thanx Glenn, I appreciate the help. The FED recerted to 7.50 last week.
Terry
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Couple of things(well 3 to be exact)
1- Remove the push-bar mount off the spine bar uprite---could cause major injury if the car backs into the wall
2- Do not weld any steering componant that is already has chrome on it unless it had to be done in an emergencey to make the final round, If you have the time--do it right!
3- personal preference is to not have rod ends on the axle uprites and to use clevis's. Useing a clevis will direct the load down the center of the mount and will not allow the mount to twist whereas off to the side there is leverage and will twist the mount if it sees load.
Other than those items, have fun
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The steering box cross member is also a little marginal. I presume that the black painted portion was added to comply with the full cross member rule (rather than the original plated half tube mount). Also not sure why the steering bell crank has the adaptor plate bolted to it for the tie rods as it looks as if it had a dogbone end on that arm.
Roo
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Love the new hoop.
Fun stuff!
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Thanks for the comments dreracecar & rooman , I will discuss them with Dan who is rebuilding it. I thought the pushbar was so cool, never for a minute did I consider it's danger.
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I have found some of the FED's history. Dan bought it 3 years ago from Hal in Belleville Ontario. Hal got it from Greg Williams maybe 5 years before that. Greg raced it around SW Ontario for many years with a coupe body on it. Greg is the man I have to talk to. Does anyone know him? thanks
Terry
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Strange Arrange at the steering bellcrank. What geometry effect does spreading the inner attachments of the tie rods have?
Also notice that what appears to be torsion arms are welded to what appears to be torsion tube, making either, neither.
Is this a retro-look thing as regards front axle mounting? Or just conversion to solid-mount?
What would be the right way to strip chromed parts to weld to them, new tube ends in this instance?
Could you strip them with abrasives, or should it be done chemically?
I also did the same cage conversion from 6 to 5-point, I agree yours looks great!
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Thanx janjon, Dan did a nice job on the cage, definitely not for a big guy, I'm 5'7" & 160, it fits well.
I have learned that the front end was replaced after it was damaged in an accident at Lancaster NY quite a few years ago. Changes to that system are planned.
I don't know why the torsion tube was welded. I spoke briefly to Greg, the 3rd last owner, when we chat again, I hope to learn much more.
I spoke to Dave Tuttle (CCE), he has assured me this chassis is not one of theirs, so the search continues. Any ideas will be appreciated.
This is how the FED looked for years racing at Cayuga, St Thomas & Lancaster.
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I love comp coupes.
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I drew out some variations on paper when designing my bellcranki, and the spacing of the holes affects the difference is steering angle at the wheel. I was more inclined to have them as close as possible on my 138in car, but I imagine on a long wheelbase car you would want more as the Ackerman angle on a 180in car would be 3 feet in front of the rear axle centreline. At the top of the arc, there is a period of dwell where they move equal amounts, then as the travel around arc increases, the tie rods articulate and one will steer to a greater degree.
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Ah, I see it. Backdoor Akerman. But would get extreme at the... extremes. Useful for encouraging the rear to slide even further in the direction it's already sliding. Never linear, approaching so, close to straight ahead only.
Please show us what you come up with in that area, and what more you find out about the car's history.
Carry on...
John
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You are correct Glenn, last time you posted 20 to 50. Can you please post # 1 to 19 of those and 4 & 5 from this set of 6? That will be all for a while, thanks a lot.
Terry
This is 4 & 5
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Hi Glenn, I finally found them, my computer (or the operator) seems to be acting up, I'm not sure just what you may get here, hopefully it's not all the text to the other people I may have sent these pix to. If you would please post only the first 19 pix with no text, that would be appreciated. Thanks very much
This is 1 thru 10
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This is 11 thru 19
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We made it to the track this year before the snow!
Dan completely took the fed apart & put it back together with all the changes we wanted. We had hoped for more track time, but were pleased that Dan was able to make one pass. Now we have to wait for spring, it's going to be tough.
The first two pix show Dan & I at "Sparta" (St. Thomas Raceway Park, Ontario, Canada). That's me sitting in the car with Dan looking on.
Thanx again Glenn for posting these.
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Terry, this is one nice looking FED! Any luck in identifying its maker? Many hints of being a California car... If wasn't for the front axle and another detail or two, I'd suspect being a SPE.
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Thanx Ricardo. The front axle was replaced after an accident a few years ago. The search for the builder has not gotten too far, I am now looking for two guys north of Toronto that Greg the 3rd last owner bought it from. The Sema tag led me to Dave Tuttle (CCE) , he says it's not one of theirs. He thought it may bear a resemblance to the chassis built by the guys that built "The Freight Train".
This is what the tag looks like :
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Sema
EM 7 | 7
Any ideas will be appreciated.