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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2017, 06:26:55 PM »
That does not look fun.
Hope you get back to normal soon

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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2017, 07:07:19 PM »
That does not look fun.
Hope you get back to normal soon

So...we just got our power back and now we have this

WINTER Storm Warning REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 8 PM MONDAY TO 8 PM EDT WEDNESDAY...

    Locations: Monroe...Wayne and Northern Cayuga counties.

    Timing: From early Monday evening through early Wednesday evening.

    Hazards: Heavy snow and blowing snow.

    Accumulations: 1 to 2 inches Monday night...3 to 5 inches Tuesday...3 to 6 inches Tuesday night...3 to 5 inches Wednesday...and an inch or less Wednesday evening...leading to storm totals of 8 to 16 inches.

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This had been an extremely mild winter up to this.
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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2017, 01:15:03 AM »
Winter Storms, that's one of the reasons I moved from Milwaukee to SoCal in 74.
Sorry, Glenn I have not gotten back to you sooner, my computer got a cold.
The D2585 Goodyear 31x12x15 is actually 12.5" wide and a little wider on 12" wheel. Section width is 15.2" and 96.5" roll-out. One of the best things about that tire is it only weighs 22.6 lbs, the next available 12" tire is 30 lbs. Keep in mind the more rotating weight, the more power it takes. The D1288 Goodyear 33x12x15 has a 102" roll-out, with only one compound D-7 which is one compound softer than the D2585, D-3 which is a hard compound to help keep the tires spining some to not dead hook and pull the motor down out of the RPM range your motor is happy.
 A little history here, in 2012 Goodyear decided not to keep a number of tires on their stocking production list. I found out that GY would make another batch of the 12" tires IF I gave them a solid order of 150 tires. When I gave the guy in charge of production schedule, he said "WOW, how did you do that, because when we looked at just making 100 tires, we would be sitting on them for 2 years."  Turns out I did another Special order in 2015, when I ordered the D1288 and D2585.
We run 5.75 to 6.25 lb of pressure on 12" wheels with the higher pressures when I'm looking for more bite, and lower pressures when I want more tire speed, and to help tire shake, running 1.01-1.03 sixty foot times, and 7.0 ET's at high 180's mph.
I have heard from some Comp racers, including Frank Parks that they have found the Hoosiers have a somewhat narrow track temp range. Some have said below 70°, and above 110° they will smoke. Even tho Parks has retired from racing, but not stopping building race cars and parts, they did try M&H 33x12x15, i think mostly because they have less static rear-end weight because their motor is out 54".
Glenn, I would think the 2585's would work for you, granted you are not racing a light weight JrFueler, but you are also your motor is further back and is heavier, your motor makes more torque than us, which should work good with your motor location. Most of the Heritage jrfuel teams run the D2585, and lot of the NE-1, NE-2 teams too.
Call me if you decide on either of the Goodyears, 800-624-3803, 805-444-4489, cell
Jon
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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2017, 03:18:54 PM »
Glen
I have a set of the 2585 brand new never mounted I got from Jon, Matt is buying my used set for his son's car. I went to a blower motor this year and needed to go taller which I have now. If interested either pm me or call me cause some how there's at least one set going north this week soon. These were stored in cool dry place in black bag never mounted I'll give great price.

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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2017, 08:47:55 AM »
Attached are four pictures, I have used Photoshop to increase the contrast so you can see the checking more clearly that we were talking about.

At this point I would like to run these tires another year, as next year we will be upping our game to a 7.0  index and will need new tires  (again) at that point.

So if these are “safe” I would love to run them another year.

DSC_2269                  is an overall picture
DSC_2270                  Close up of the checking in the worse spot I can find
DSC_2271                  current tire size
DSC_2272                  date code  “N9T0”, also more visible checking
Steve Fuhman 006     Side wall wrinkle

This is the research I have now

Manufacture                   Part #             Tire Size                  Compound                   Rim                  Section              Tread            Circumference
Hoosier (current tire)     18225             31 X 12 – 15            C11      Med                 12                   16                       12                97
Hoosier                          18221             31 X 10.5 – 15         C07      Med                 12                   14.5                   11                 97                           Best Compromise?
Hoosier                          18237             31.5 X 13.5 – 15      C07      Med                 14                   17.2                   13.5              99.5

GoodYear                       2018               31 X 13 – 15            D5 Med Hard               12                   15.6                   12.8              96                           Next best?, Raise RPM 100
GoodYear                       2585               31 X 12 – 15            D3 Hard                      12                   15.2                   12.5              96                           Hard Compound, Raise RPM 100

M/T                                3072               31 X 13 – 15            M5       Med                 12                    15.7                   13                 98

I could stand to raise the RPM at the finish line

« Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 08:53:49 AM by GlennLever »
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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2017, 11:41:45 AM »
Glen How old is that tire and how many runs are on them ? If you are not sure then throw them away and put a new set of tires on it ! The side walls are what go bad in a drag tire !

Tires have been on the vehicle two years, but found they were manufactures in 2013. Number of runs I would be guessing at, 84. This was the response I got from Hoosier after talking with them and sending pictures.

Glenn,
The date code was actually D16N and it was produced in Feb of 2013.   I cannot officially tell you that the tires are safe, simply because I can’t tell the future.   That doesn’t mean there’s going to be an issue with them at all either.   The cracking looks like it is just the thin sidewall rubber as that is the thinnest layer of rubber.   The strength of the tire comes from the fabric not the thin layer of rubber on the outside sidewall.  It might start leaking a bit, and it might not.  You will have to make the ultimate decision to run them or not.  Once again, the strength of the tire is in the fabric but the age might not allow the tire to be at its top performance level.   I would just keep a close eye on them to make sure they don’t get worse.
I do believe that the 18221 is still our best replacement for your combination.  It might even fit better as we talked with just a little less tread on the ground and help decrease the 60’ times.
I hope this info is helpful.
 
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Current plan is to run the same tires this year and buy new ones for the 7.0 next year. to that end I have just purchased a set of used rims for the 7.0 index.  Double bead lock, 15 X 14 inches wide, 5 on 5

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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2017, 08:32:20 PM »
Glenn, after looking at your photos, I think you can run them another season, they are just surface cracks. I have seen more/ deeper cracks, I think it's more about age. I put tire marking paint of the date on my tires when I put new tires on. My current tires are 2 years old, and the last set was more like 3 years old. My Goodyear contact says to replace tires when the 60's go away.
One point of interest is I've heard some of the ProStock guys would store their new tires in the attic [ hot] for 3-4 months to get them a bit harder and they get smaller.
Yes I have checked the softness of tires, and with age they do get harder, and when I've run the older/harder tires I increase the tire pressure on my 10" or 11" wheels to increase bite.
I hope this helps Glenn.
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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2017, 09:11:09 PM »
Every time I read these threads on tire & wheel combos I can't begain to understand all the reasons for small tires on wide rims. I have always ran a 2 inch smaller rim than tire size. I think that Jon & Bruce run narrower rims than tire size & it works. With a narrow rim the car takes less HP & time to get up on the tire. 
 My combo is way different than anything I've ever seen posted. I run a 33 X 14.5 Hoosier on a 12 inch rim 8 PSI. I run a 3.54 gear, We stage at idle & use only the foot brake. Our 60 Ft. times are 1.03 - 1.05   We use a 9 inch very tight converter. At the march meet 7.11 @ 189  Motor is detuned to keep it in the 7's  I am almost ready to drop in the A fuel motor & might go to a 3.25 gear. I think I will need a 10 inch converter before it's right.
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Re: Hoosier replacement tires
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2017, 10:05:08 PM »
Yes Van,  we do run a different a different combo than you. JrFuel rules are limited to 12" wide tires and 12" rims, and iron heads and blocks on pure alky, no blowers, 3.5 lbs per ci, and powerglides.
Where as in 7.0 Pro you can run anything, but no electronics, just don't run in the 6's. 
Van, how big is your motor, and I assume it runs lower RPM than JF, and if I remember right you are running a 400 turbo with one or two gears out. Your combo runs more torque is my guess, because of your 3.54 rear gear and 14.5 wide tire, our JF motors are 10,000 rpm low torque combos, running 4.88 or 5.37 rear gears. It goes to show you how many different ways you can get to run low 7's, 189 mph.
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