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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2013, 10:47:25 AM »
I guess not too many . . . I'm building a 137" with a 355sbc, 6-71 on alcohol.

Hope to make 700-800hp.  See how that goes.

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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2013, 10:58:54 AM »
Randy I really don't remember having any handeling problems with that car.

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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2013, 07:41:39 PM »
ALL SWB CARS ARE ILL HANDLEING.........
I BELIEVE IN JOHN 3:16

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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2013, 10:43:11 AM »
ALL SWB CARS ARE ILL HANDLEING.........

bullcrap!
« Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 02:26:36 PM by GlennLever »
Yeah, I am from the south--any further south and I would have been a bloody penguin.

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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2013, 01:05:32 PM »
Roo your my HERO! ;)  I will find out  (I hope)!!!!!

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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2013, 10:01:35 AM »
ALL SWB CARS ARE ILL HANDLEING.........

bullcrap!

Thanks, needed to be said, although I wish you had chosen a different word..
« Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 02:26:54 PM by GlennLever »
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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2013, 01:19:12 PM »
GEE WONDER HOW THEY GOT THE REP AS I,LL HANDLEING, WHAT ABOUT THE OLD ATLEREDS AND SUCH..... WATCH THE SWB YOUTUBE VIDEOS. JMO
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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2013, 02:25:00 PM »
Hey Glen any reason you did not change word in his post? bullcrap maybe. Just wondering
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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2013, 02:28:29 PM »
Hey Glen any reason you did not change word in his post? bullcrap maybe. Just wondering

Ok, your right, he is a paying supported, and a good friend, I was showing favorites, I have corrected the offending word.
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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2013, 02:33:32 PM »
GEE WONDER HOW THEY GOT THE REP AS I,LL HANDLEING, WHAT ABOUT THE OLD ATLEREDS AND SUCH..... WATCH THE SWB YOUTUBE VIDEOS. JMO
BOB
I alway's kind of thought the older altered's with short wheel bases were ill handeling because of such a high center of gravity.

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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2013, 06:19:01 AM »
Have to agree with Bill.   Just look as some old pics.   Front end up cpl feet motor almost out of frame.Center of gravity must have been 3 feet off ground.

   I know we all here love the old cars but face it some of the engineering left a lot to be desired. Heck the rollcages where below thier heads in lots of cases.

  Lets not forget the tires of the day where junk by todays standard.

  Short wheelbase will never be as stable as longer wheelbase cars.But they are awsome to watch and fun to DRIVE,you know thats the thing that drivers do,unlike the long wheelbase rear engine car where your more a passanger along for the ride. That being said I'm building longest wheelbase I can becuase being consistent  and beating some RED butt is the goal for my car.
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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2013, 03:08:43 PM »
Something a lot of guy's tend to overlook when they are building a car is how fast or slow the steering is . This can make a huge difference in the way a car handles and drives . As an example my son's RED 240in wb has short steering arms very quick steering . It is very touchey at speed . You can't move the wheel much at all . Now my fed has slow sreering very lazy . Ilike it that way .

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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2013, 03:57:37 PM »
If memory serves me well. The steering ratio was one of the reason first attempts at RED didn't work well. I think Garlits decided that after first run or two in his history making RED.


  Bill you running 5 or 6 inch arms on frontend? Got to order spindles next week . and then its body fab time.
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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2013, 08:07:13 PM »
For me 147 wouldnt be short. Mine is 96 inch wheelbase. (fits in the back of my truck. )
It runs like it is on rails. Goes straight as an arrow. I have even made a pass without touching the steering wheel (Dont ask. It is embarrasing) I have had two other rail pilots run the car. Both have commented how straight it runs. I dont think squirrley comes simply from a short wheelbase. I believe the set up plays into it big time. I spent a lot of time setting mine up. I made the front axle using handi van spindles. Alignment is 3 degrees positive caster. 1/2 degree pos camber and 1/8 toe. My car has Ackerman designed into it as well. The faster I go the better it tracks and there is no correction required once you release the brake. I dont run up in the 150mph bracket (yet;>) but nothing so far would indicate that would be a problem. Funny cars are short comparatively speaking and that doesnt bother them.
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Re: How fast with short wheelbase?
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2013, 07:17:40 AM »
one of the problems with handling with increased speeds is due to the front end being lifted due to airflow under the chassis .